The Religious Experience of Philip K. Dick by R. Crumb from Weirdo #17

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37 Responses to “The Religious Experience of Philip K. Dick by R. Crumb from Weirdo #17”

  1. Matt Pacey Says:

    Just FYI, you seem to be missing the final page: http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28465&stc=1

  2. mrfisher Says:

    Matt-

    Thank you for pointing it out. I missed a line of HTML and the last page. I have fixed it now.

    Michael

  3. eloi tanack Says:

    So, who or what is the likeliest candidate for the returned Christ?

  4. Jorge Says:

    Conclusions:

    1) There is no fucking solution.
    2) If there is a solution, there is no way to transmit it to others.
    3) Be happy, try to get rich and you will be able to fuck the most beautiful women in this fucking world.
    4) If you are unable to reach point 4, then you have two choices: Have a humble life, try to grow vegetables in a farm, or just jump from a tall build, bridge, have some CO, whatever.

    And don’t cry, nobody cares.

  5. Yu Says:

    Thanks for posting this.
    Although my conclusion is that P.K.Dick was possessed, but not visionary (too many concepts, that is).

  6. Philloz Says:

    Possessed by WHAT, for Dobbs’ sake? That’s the key question.

  7. David Christ_ie Says:

    …thank you for posting this invaluable resource; my late freund, Terence McKenna was a HUGE fan of PhilipK. Dick…Happy New Years!>9

  8. kgmcb Says:

    it is what it is, warning signs of the stroke he died too soon. this cartoon is a revelation by the artist of the author who has articuled it in the best way that only he can do. the exposed dickhead.. loved it

  9. William Says:

    PKD was a very unstable man, obviously. Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that PKD was right, and the Christian messiah was walking the earth at the time of PKD’s death-1982-well, here it is almost 32 years later…where is he? Sorry, but this nonsense, and way too much validity has been piled on to an absurdity. Enough, already.

  10. Philloz Says:

    Jesus, William, you’re the only dick (as opposed to Dickhead) who I’ve ever heard from who thought we were convinced PKD was onto the literal Second Coming. Get over yourself.

  11. William Says:

    For fucks sake, what the hell are you discussing then?! At first, I thought the big deal was R. Crumb’s strip–which is very cool. I’ve been a fan since Zap Comix Number 01. That’s probably longer than you’ve been alive.

    Then, the whole thread shifted–your comment was especially priceless (in response to Yu’s also off-topic comment): “Possessed by WHAT, for Dobbs’ sake? That’s the key question.” Lol! Love the caps, nice touch. How old are you? 16?

    Look, kid, if you had half a brain, you’d realize that PDK was most likely a victim of late onset schizophrenia. Have you even read his Exegesis? You’re not only a moron, Philloz, you’re a prick. Grow up, twit.

  12. Rick Says:

    William: If you are so intelligent and experienced and wise, etc., how come you can’t express your insights and opinions without all of the juvenile name-calling, aggression, and insults?

    Anyway, thanks for posting this piece, Michael.

  13. Yu Says:

    @William, R.Crumb’s work is brilliant, as well as probably some of mr. Dick’s stuff. Still, it does not make for any authentic insight if you’re hearing the voices and they only declaim you the telephone book.

    To provide a couple of contrary examples: A Disease of Language (by Eddie Campbell on Alan Moore), City of Dreadful Night (by James “B.V.” Thomson – if you’re not that stupid to consider this being talked about Victorian London), Hymns to the Night (by Novalis – I’d be personally more excited if mr.Crumb deceides to draw this particular one). These are the visionaries, in that sense.

  14. William Says:

    @ Yu–I agree with you. R. Crumb’s work is considered brilliant by many, myself included. His early work in Zap Comix & other “underground” venues is legend. PKD was also a star of the underground scene, and yes, his work was often brilliant, as well.

    What bothers me is 90% of his entire body of work is being completely ignored. All anyone can talk about is the incident surrounding his so-called “awakening”. It’s so juvenile! Good grief, the man has a huge body of work, yet everywhere I go, all anyone wants to talk about is PKD’s “epiphany”.

    And that includes R. Crumb, himself. You know, Robert Crumb has his own agenda. Have you ever wondered why he chose Dick’s incident to turn out? You know he also illustrated the first 5 books of the Bible-the Torah? Crumb has a God fixation–the Hebrew version of god.

    You guys are getting played, and you don’t even have a clue. Crumb won’t do anything that doesn’t have to do with the Hebrew god, so don’t hold your breath.

  15. William Says:

    I’m not necessarily “so intelligent”, etc., etc., but I do how to follow a thread, and this ain’t it. My wisdom tells me to leave this to the likes of you all-fixated on a one dimensional version of PKD. So be it-adios, motherfuckers! /:-)

  16. Bighead Says:

    Of course the Christ is here. He has to be adult enough to ascend when armageddon occurs so he is sure near grown up now. I wonder instead how Dick arrived at his conclusion.

  17. Philloz Says:

    Not so sure what you’re afflicted with, William, but it’s not wisdom. As it stands, Zap #1 isn’t quite as old as I am, though I’ve no idea just what that is or is not supposed to prove to you, or why you have this perception that everyone else is clueless about PKD’s issues with undiagnosed mental illness – or how you can diagnose him post facto with “late onset schizophrenia,” for that matter.

    It’s profoundly bizarre how you patronizing deride me for allegedly not reading PKD’s Exegesis (I have) while not recognizing the dissonant notion of simultaneously deriding everyone else for being “fixated” on 3-4-74. You don’t have to ignore his vast library or work – I’ve been able to collect about half his output thus far – to find 3-4-74 interesting, especially since it dominated the last eight years of his life.

    The real mystery is why you find the speculation of others so personally unsettling – apparently reading FAR too much into even the most offhand, tongue-in-cheek statements – that you feel compelled to lash out angrily and aimlessly at anyone who dares give utterance.

  18. Yu Says:

    gnostic comics update: Thomas Ligotti ‘Nightmare Factory’ vol.1, 2.

  19. Mark Says:

    It seems that many of the above mentioned are written by basic men speaking about spirituality as a fashion, some kind of fun “stuff”.

    The worst comment is the one of “Jorge”, whose vision of the male gender is totally extreme: he reduces men to the most basic beings (or even “things”). What he wrote indeed reveals that he considers that a male is nothing but a megalomaniac phallus, wanting to have sex with as much women as possible (the last ones being then considered as objects), no matter the way to get it (for example, by becoming rich at any price, no matter how much destruction it can involve).

    I dare to think that we are more than that. And when it comes to spirituality, for those who face for true such “special” experiences, there’s no such way of thinking left. I’ve met many over time, in various countries, and I was not even looking for it: at first I didn’t take them seriously.

    But when it came to 2 close friends of mine, I became less ironical and discovered over time that, actually, many people have unusual experiences. But in our countries, such people would not dare to speak about their experiences, unless they know that you will respect their testimonial, not consider them as crazy, not judging them, and that you will not consider their experience as some kind of “fashion stuff”.

    Have a nice day

  20. tim Says:

    All of it is true, like his books it is to far beyond your intellectual experience for you to understand. The bible, and modern physics both talk about these things in detail.

  21. tim Says:

    I forgot to mention that of course they diagnosed Phillip as having a mental illness, that is what they do when they cannot explain a behavior. But Dick’s behavior was not deranged. He was experiencing something beyond our ken.

  22. Deicidus Says:

    I am the reincarnation of Philip K. Dick.

  23. tpole Says:

    The reference to Flow My Tears ( I not sure where that info comes from , maybe Rickman’s interview with him) is interesting. I read it but I experienced no mystical revelation,good story.I’ll have to re-read ….

  24. pearl Says:

    This describes a specific mystical state referred to as the Knowledge of the Holy Guardian Angel sought by magicians Crowley and Abramelin.

  25. Young Lee Says:

    “The walls in Plato’s cave is a hologram…” PKD 1974

    “The universe may best be described as a hologram.” String theory physicist, 2013.

  26. Philloz Says:

    “they diagnosed Phillip as having a mental illness, that is what they do when they cannot explain a behavior.”

    That’s the kind of thing people who have no understanding of mental illness say.

  27. Michael O'Donnell Says:

    Imagine if you kept a scrupulous diary of you at your worst and best. Now imagine you are Philip K. Dick. Read ‘The Exegesis of Philip K. Dick’ to get a better idea what a freaking genius he was. If you do read this book, remember, he didn’t have a BA, Masters, or PhD, and he didn’t have google or the internet, just a set of encyclopedias. PKDick and I are some weird analog of one another, and on my internet site I wrote my own existential exegesis, where I tried to make sense out of similar experiences, grounding them in western science and philosophy as well as eastern philosophy. The key to understanding his experiences is, in my opinion, in his exegesis where he alludes to the fact the Logos he experienced was not the Logos of Judaism, but the pre-Socratic Logos of Heraclitus.

  28. Victor Jarvis Says:

    “Crumb has a God fixation–the Hebrew version of god.” Crumb is an atheist.

  29. William Says:

    For an atheist he sure did expend a lot of effort & ink on his disbelief…I find that quite ridiculous.

  30. Colin Says:

    Are you really under the impression that cartoonists only work in what they believe in or think is real? God to an atheist is just fiction, they don’t deny the fact that organized religion exists whether it be based on truth or not. Atheist LOVE talking about religion. I find it quite ridiculous that an adult doesn’t know fiction from non fiction.

  31. Kartikeya Says:

    Does anyone know where I can find the entire thing as narrated by Robert crumb? I saw the one one YouTube it’s about 9 minutes but it cuts off in the middle?
    Grazie

  32. Cody Jo Says:

    It is verrry easy to tell that 90% of the commentators here have not read, or have little exposure to, the work of Philip K. Dick. These spiritual revelations and occurrences are writ out fairly accurately in his final trilogy, of which I’ve only read VALIS. This was enough, as it covers everything the Crumb comic covers and then some… Horselover Fat meets with the young Maitreya before severe tragedy strikes… it ends on note of defeatism, but it’s interesting enough that I would like to get around to the final two books which take the story further, The Divine Invasion, and The Transmigration of Timothy Archer. It does not represent PKD’s best work, but his most mysterious and personally layered writing.
    There’s a lot of noise makers on this board, casting their judgments about schizophrenia, “wisdom”, mental “illnesses”, and the validity of “mystical experience.” At the end of these days, your opinions are just receipts of your stupendous ignorance… these experiences are outside of your capacity to understand, and forever outside your tiny prejudices. Even as a passionate lover of PKD’s writing, a lot of it is just beyond my intelligence. I’ve no doubt that Dick experienced these things authentically, and that in the matter that all his writing suggests, even an unreal experience is no less real… reality is superimposed with inter-dimensional paradoxes and linear thinking will fail to sort out these threads every time. Expand your mind.

  33. Dave Says:

    You all need to read this book IT – Pieces in the Dark by Nick Sambrook

    What is in there is very alarming, and most of it is not fictional

    http://www.amazon.com/IT-Pieces-Dark-Volume-1/dp/1496180305/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1399661478&sr=8-12&keywords=IT+-+Pieces+in+the+dark

  34. Jorge Says:

    Mark, my prior comment is awful, but maybe You didn’t catch the intention, I know was poorly writen, but well, I’m not a good witer… That comment comes from irony and referes to our lack of capacity to solve the enigma of reality, and well how people take advantage of the matrix (powerful men seem to think that as long as tehy have money and women they will be happy, but at the end they’re just puppet) whatever it is… It is an existential joke for those that can’t fight or give up to this (simulated)reality… And I don’t know maybe when I post it I was mad because of the trap we interpret as a world, on the other side I’m not even sure I wrote it… Maybe it was another Jorge, I don’t know, I think that here (specially here) that’s a valid, right?

    On the other side, I want to point out that it seems that everyone here wants to descredit other opinions and appear like the ones that really know.

  35. Tonic Says:

    Can anyone expound on the “cipher” and “prophetic message aimed at particular people” in FLOW MY TEARS? I’m having a hard time finding reference or explanation.

  36. Nick Says:

    IF you want an explanation on this IT the enigma of reality, what is really going on then please read this book IT – Pieces in the dark – which also explains the matrix concept along with technical and spiritual constructs in analogy form – its in a story format so makes it easier to get through.

    Chapter 1 starts off with the same form of cosmic conscious experience as PKD

    Thanks NIck

    http://www.amazon.com/It-Pieces-Dark-Nick-Sambrook/dp/0992889804/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403737726&sr=8-1&keywords=Nick+Sambrook

    https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/427841

  37. Garrett Holway Says:

    PDK was a visionary, but he got one thing wrong: the Christ will never take a human body as vehicle again – at least not one of three I dimensional flesh and blood, and individual earthly identity. He is an Archangel of Sunlight and needs none such again. Be He born in all.

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